April 21, 2003
Degas v. Rothko
being here represented by Luke Gutzwiller (PhD candidate in Math at UWash) and Addy Free (undergraduate student of Sociology at Cornell College).
AIM ScreenNames--
Ferutu (Luke Gutwiller)
sunpot day (Addy Free)
Ferutu: I didn't see anything of his in the Tate Modern, that I can recall.
sunpot day: You most certainly did.
Ferutu: That I can recall, I specified.
Ferutu: I don't know how I feel about this 'modern' business...
Ferutu: Oh! Was he the great big room of canvasses?
Ferutu: There's nothing wrong with them per se...
sunpot day: !!
sunpot day: Brilliance
sunpot day: I love Rothko
Ferutu: You would.
sunpot day: What is that supposed to mean?
Ferutu: You have a fondness for very abstract art.
sunpot day: not very.
Ferutu: I have a fondness for art depicting hot blond men on their hands and knees.
sunpot day: oil masturbation! I prefer my art with contextual meaning.
Ferutu: What is the contextual meaning of the Rothko pieces?
sunpot day: tell me how the spartans directly interfaces with the emotions of a the audience?
Ferutu: How does Rothko?
sunpot day: Rothko's colors and shapes evoke a primary connection and dialectic with the audience, don't you start wth me Dr. Who watcher....
Ferutu: But how, exactly?
Ferutu: His colours and shapes don't connect to real-world referents...
Ferutu: There's nothing emotional about giving people essentially white noise and asking them to find some meaning in it.
sunpot day: No, not emotional, but communicative and dialoging.
Ferutu: With the Spartans, you have a certain glory in the human figures...You have a joy in the play and quality of light...
sunpot day: and the Spartan quality of light is that of aging oils...
Ferutu: Compare it to other aging oils, though...
sunpot day: the real-world referent is the emotional logging of the audience.
Ferutu: You like Rothko because you interface with it. I like Degas because I interface with it. We're talking subjectives here.
sunpot day: Noooo
Ferutu: I do not believe your dialectical process is an artistic universal.
sunpot day: no, not a universal
sunpot day: Rothko is adored and celebrated because of his interfacing work.
sunpot day: it speaks to a specific audience
sunpot day: but a relatively broad audience
sunpot day: and more so than Degas
sunpot day: certainly, because of it's lay potential.
Ferutu: Bollocks!
sunpot day: it is less pretentious!
Ferutu: Double bollocks!
Ferutu: Pretty pictures of people and things are the most proletarian art there is.
Ferutu: The very language you use to describe the impact of Rothko is divorced from the mainstream of human experience.
sunpot day: there is nothing proletarian about insulting the masses with blase works of naked people. Just because one does not understand film processing, computer animation and the method of layering cinema with music to weigh on one's emotions, does not an academic effort make.
Ferutu: I contend that the dialectical or interfacing view of art is primarily an academic one...
sunpot day: I contest your contention. :op
Ferutu: Why do you feel that works of naked people are insulting?
sunpot day: insulting because they are little more than oil paint by number, Lukie.
Ferutu: You try making one.
sunpot day: touche!
And another thing: Vermeer!
And another another thing, the Art Institute of Chicago has a very acceptable collection of Impressionists conveniently located a mere four hours from Iowa City.
Seattle, alas, does not. Although, on the other hand, it does smell nicer. It's a trade-off.
Posted by: Luke on April 21, 2003 02:20 AMaddy, im sorry, but a pretty red square is still nothing more than a red square. yet a pretty picture of spartans frolocking around being the spartans that they are speaks to me and all other humans since it is, of course, a picture of humans. but if you're a square, addy, i can see how you like rothko more. you damned republican.
:-P
Posted by: zeus on April 21, 2003 02:36 AM*shakes fist at you*
I am most certainly _not_ a Republican, mister. I like gay people, babies, black people, women, and also people that aren't christian. Also, I like trees, clean air, and responsible consumerism.
=o)
Posted by: Addy on April 21, 2003 12:26 PMi like the red square. i'm not republican, either.
don't let addy fool you, though, he's republican.
Posted by: lane on April 21, 2003 02:07 PM